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Simple Hall Way redo. #6: The End in Sight?

Blog entry by MarkTheFiddler posted 07-21-2012 05:23 AM 4964 reads 0 times favorited 36 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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The end is not necessarily in sight but my stopping point will be soon I think. I have started attaching base boards tonight but I quit a few minutes after 9:00 I don’t want my neighbors on the war path because of my miter saw noise. The dremel tool isn’t terribly quiet either. As for inside the house, the compressor is a noisy beast.

I put up the trim to divide the hallway from the living room.

I also got a few pieces of base board attached.

As you can see I taped up a good amount of area. The threshold trim actually took about an hour. The reason for the tape is simple, I have no finese when it comes to caulking but even a hack can do a good job if he does a decent taping job.

I discovered an issue with my simple plans. My living room base board is going to come right up to the threshold trim and deadend as if it was a plinth. That’s the contiguous wall. All is well, I wanted that. The other wall makes a right angle. I can’t dead end the base board on the living room side and I can’t make an outside turn because it won’t match the other side. I can’t make a blind return because the profile of the trim really thins out at the top. I’m back to thinking about it. So far my only thought is to cut the base board off square on the living room side and make the outside corner with the quarter round.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.



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posted 07-21-2012 02:02 PM

Looks like your doing a good job. I was a little alarmed when I saw the tape and that you did that before you caulked. I was wondering why this project was taking a while, I see one of the reasons.

How about just trying caulking without the tape, just a small area. If you mess it up just scrape it out when it’s still wet.

Caulking is pretty simple really. First, be sure you have cut a pretty small hole on the tip of the tube. Run a small continuous bead of caulk on top of the baseboard as far as you can reach, 4’ or so. Then take your finger and wet it with a damp rag and then lightly drag it across it in one smoothe fluid motion. Do that once and your done! If your limber enough I’d recommend caulking and entire piece of baseboard and smoothing it all at once.

If you cut the small hole you you do’t put out much caulk and you don’t have as much on the baseboard to need the tape. Kinda like you have less to screw up with so less to make a mess with lol.

I really recommend trying this, maybe in a closet or garage first, even if it’s already been painted, just for practice if you think you need it. BUt I bet you don’t.

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posted 07-21-2012 08:51 PM

Thanks very much for the advice sailor. I have just the closet in mind to practice freehand caulking. I will do it. I learned how to do good tight paint job without tape. I suppose I can get some skill with caulking. I know that it just takes a little practice and confidence.

Base boards are down. Four corners coped. Not perfectly mind you but they look a lot better than my previous corners. 2 outside corners fitted. I learned a new trick from YouTube. Miter cut 45.5 degrees on outside corners and they close up a lot easier.

I still used quarter round despite advice to the contrary. I already have a lot of quarter round it the house.

I cleaned up and put most of my equipment away. I’m Taking a break then I’ll go buy some dap caulk and get this part of the house redo into the books.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 07-22-2012 05:33 AM

Well, I didn’t get back to it until 7:00 pm. I finished caulking at 11:45. Sailor asked why the project was taking so long. I have the answer. I’m slow. ;)

I did learn a whole bunch of things though. Thanks to all of you. Pictures after paint touch-up.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 07-22-2012 06:10 PM

One thing with caulking is not to keep messing with it. Run you finger to smooth it out with the longest continuous stroke possible, with no ridges on each side. Maybe run a second or third time if needed but with a wet finger. If you mess to much it starts to dry and you’ll start getting “rollers”. You’ll know what I mean when you get them.
I use DynaFlex 230 ( Home Depot) or UltraFlex 230 (Lowes), same product by Dap I believe, just different names for different stores….????. It goes on smoother with a bit more working time than the cheaper ones.

I’ll second what Sailor said about the tape. Try it without it. You’ll just end up with a ridge at the tape line.

-- The difference between a pro and an amateur, an amateur points out his mistakes

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posted 07-22-2012 07:36 PM

Hallway touched up. Ready for pictures. This hallway redo now goes to the “Artful” stage. Yeah I’m weird that way you’ll see. Remember “My House”. The things I do next probably won’t help me sell it but I don’t plan on moving out. Ever….

Ignore that messed up room in the background. It’s day is coming. I added some door casing to delineate the hall from the living room.

The two intake vents were too close to the floor for the wide base board. I build a simple frame for them.

Here are a few overall images.


My “Coping work”

My outside corner work.

Why isn’t the door trim finished out nicely? It’s a goner. I almost have a mental image of what will replace it. I didn’t even bother caulking it or painting a second coat. Here is one of the worst ones. Looks like my daughter was practicing sword play against it.

This beast is called the ugly.

After I figure out what to do about it, It will become an artful project.

The can lights are going to be replaced. (Artfully) The brass (Hinges and catches for utility closet) will be brushed nickel. Every room that transitions to the hall will have flooring work soon. The poor poor tranistion to the bathroom is the worst because it’s getting the same tile as the hall.

I may be replacing quarter round after some of these projects get completed. It’s cheap, Easy to paint, easy to fit and YEEHAAAA – EASY to CAULK. Here is my representative caulking. It dosn’t get worse or better than this.

Guys – you all have been awesome, The back breaking part is done and I think I did my best baseboard job ever thanks to you all. The part I live for is next. I’ll keep Blog going.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 07-23-2012 09:34 AM

Mark – the base board turned out great. Very nice work, indeed. What sailor and Gay both said about the caulk is true. I taped off for caulking – once (on shower glass). It took too long.

But your finished product looks great. Keep it up. Looking forward to more pics.

-- No matter how many times I measure, I always forget the dimensions before I cut.

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posted 07-23-2012 01:03 PM

Thank you Billy.

I think I followed J’s advice the most but really did do what Sailor and and Gary said. I ran tape along the textured wall only. I guess I “half” followed their advice.

Here is the plinth and rosette concept. I could use some clamping advice. Real bad like…. ;)

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posted 07-23-2012 07:20 PM

Alrighty then..

I said I wasn’t going to change out the quarter round – I lied. I’m thinkig 5/8 square minus one corner. Simple.. I can make that stuff all day long. No weird returns, In fact, Just a simple miter cut off the edge and it’s done

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posted 07-23-2012 09:47 PM

Image attached this time.

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posted 07-24-2012 11:44 PM

Ah Ha!

I have the cabinet door design in mind.

It’s going to be simple but It will incorporate the plinth design.

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posted 07-25-2012 07:21 PM

I’m dying to get something done other than paint doors and build trim decorations (all built for the hallway). I’m going to cut some door trim and “base board toes (is that right?)”

I’m tempted to start on those cabinet doors but I haven’t sorted out all the details yet. Should be fun after I think it through.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 07-27-2012 03:40 AM

Some days you should just take a break. I suppose out of all the work I did today, I have about 2 hours of rework to fix my mistakes.

First a little something interesting. This is what my hinges looked like when I took the doors off 2 rooms.

I threw them in some used up nasty brush cleaner and this is what came out. As long as they don’t rust, I saved a bundle. I they rust – $0 investment.

I was told it was a good idea to use a sharp blade to score the caulking right next to the base boards and door trim just before you take them off. So – I do.

At the worst I get this little ridge that just takes a moment to scrape off.

My blade started getting dull so I yell, “Son, have you seen the other razor blade dispenser?”
He yells back. “You’re using the other dispenser!”
I say “Oh” and proceed to rip the next piece of trim off without scoring.

I know the picture is awful but it’s QUITE clear that the sheetrock was damaged.
I yell “Son, have you seen the box of sheetrock mud?”
He yells back. “Sorry dad, When you asked me to pack it up I forgot close the bag. I threw the rest away. There wasn’t much anyway. Do you want me to buy you a box?”
I respond “No thanks son. I’m already heading out to buy razor blades.”

I am tired of painting doors! I decided to roll the oil paint on then smooth it with a brush. I painted 2 doors this way and I must have been half asleep. This evening, I took a good look at one of the doors and I saw this:

I know, it’s a horrible image but do you see those little pieces of fuzz? Yep, that’s my door.
I got out the scraper and got after one face of the door. GOOD! It worked.

At that time I hear a dog scratching on a door so I let the poor animals in. They were so happy to be in the door that they took the shortest route possible to my plinths that were still tacky with oil paint. Yes, the plinths and rosettes were on a tarp in the middle of the room. Don’t people know to walk around the tarps? Well hey, plinths and rosettes went everywhere! I went to recover them and find that they were covered with paint scrapings – from – a – fuzzy – door.

Yeah so, I had to replace a couple of hinges. I said, “at least I can do that right”. I held that hinge plate between thumb and index finger, got a screw, set the screw, pulled the trigger on my drill. Ummm – I was still holding onto the hinge as the drill went full speed and squeezed that hinge closer to the door. Squeeze is not the usual word for it, unless your stupid finger is on the wrong side of the hinge plate.

To top it all off Today was dedicated to repairing a big mistake. That was the one about not replacing the door trim in the first place.

I love life. I love what’s happening to my house and I thank God he has given me the energy and desire to keep going. TODAY – that’s what I keep tellng myself.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 07-27-2012 01:11 PM

This morning I de-fuzzified another side of a door. No collateral damage this time. I’m off to punch the clock.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 07-28-2012 08:29 PM

The dreaded roller fuzz…Roll the roller head on a strip of tape to defuzz it some what. Also make sure it’s made for oil. The sticky nature of it will pull any loose fuzz out.
Now the canine chaos is a whole different ball of wax…......LOL
The finger and hinge problem, that’s a quick learning curve.
Keep on keepin on…it all will turn out great in the end.

-- The difference between a pro and an amateur, an amateur points out his mistakes

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posted 07-28-2012 10:31 PM

If you keep a bottle of kids blowing bubbles handy while caulking it works wonders for keeping fingers clean. ( Learned that from an old man I used to build houses with. He’s full of handy tricks.)

-- Josh

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posted 07-29-2012 04:17 AM

MDF plinths and rosettes – $6.50

MDF Door Trim – $13.25

MDF CAR! Priceless…

I hear you Gary. I’ll get the right roller next time. I usually buy $1.00 rollers then chuck them when I’m done painting with them. Never again will I try that with oil paint. However, all the hallway doors are painted, new hardware installed and hung. Yippee!!

I tried cutting a simple profile with the table saw on my base board toe trim. Uh uh – looks like I took a hack saw to it. I’ll be flipping those over and routing a slight curve instead.

Hey Josh – thanks for the tip! I think we have 50 gallons of the stuff lying around. Well, a bunch at least. I appreciate your advice.

A few successes. I managed to repair a hole in a door with some left over marine epoxy. I stuffed some into the penny sized hole. It dried for about 5 minutes, I took out a razor blade and shaved off the excess. After an hour, I filled the dents with wood filler. Primed, painted, perfect. I’ll count the plinths and door trim as a nice success. They look great. I can’t wait to see them on the door.

I only worked about 5 hours today. Instead of working I went and played volleyball with some workmates. I’m getting OLD. Had to quit because my hip started fussing and I didn’t want to make it worse. After that, it was Joe’s crabshack with my son and the new batman movie. I’ve been putting in too many hours of work. I nodded off during the movie.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 07-29-2012 01:45 PM

You have to love when you get that nice stack of parts ready to install. The light at the end of the tunnel.
I never buy the cheap rollers. They self destruct in about 2 minutes. Get a good quality roller head if your going to paint anymore doors and just roll it up in plastic with little to no air in the plastic. Stick it tight and you’ll be able to use it over and over to a point. Clean the edges with some thinner to get rid of the crusties that will start to form.
Do you have a chamfering bit for your router? You could keep your original plan for your shoe with that.
I like Josh’s tip with the bubbles, but be careful with contaminating your surface. Do a test with what ever bubbles you have and let dry and then paint and test for good adhesion. I just stick with water for lube. Better safe than sorry. If your into an exterior caulk such as Solar Seal, Quad, etc. that’s a slightly different ballgame.

Be safe and don’t over do it. Joe’s Crabshack and Batman sounds like a good time. How was the new Batman movie? My boys are bugging me to go.

-- The difference between a pro and an amateur, an amateur points out his mistakes

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posted 07-30-2012 02:00 AM

Howdy!

I think should host a DIY comedy hour. I was painting the door to the master bath and master walk in. I used my trick with the horses and screw holding the door on a pivot. I stopped using clamps to keep the from falling off the side. Yeah. Not hard to imagine what happened. Except it’s worse.

I finished the last stoke on the second door. I let go. It fell right of the horse and to the tarp. Apparently I didn’t clean up all of my paint scrapings. Of course it got all over that side of the door but since it fell on the tarp, it popped debris onto the other side of the door and onto the other suspended door. I had a little container with paint thinner nearby. Over it went.

Hey. Guess what? I bet you didn’t know this. Door trim goes on both sides of the door. Wow. I would never have guessed. Consider it my useful tip for the day. I have some more MDF to buy.

I have a chamfering bit and I considered it while I was choosing among the profiles. Just for kicks I chose a quarter round but only cut a half curve. It looks great. I left the bit on the router because I’ll use it to finish the ends off.

I painted trim most of the day and this afternoon, was about the toe molding.

I wanted to see something different in the hall so I nailed the plinths. Oh man, all this extra work for the door trim is totally worth it. To my knowledge, they are unique. They are awesome. Pictures will come out after the trim is done.

Batman is a good flick. It’s loooong. Sometimes it drags. I’d 14 and up will enjoy the movie.

Thanks for the wrapping trick on the rollers. I’ll save it for next time. I quit painting doors for now. It’s taking a chunk out of my time and I will finish the hall befor my wife returns.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 07-30-2012 09:53 PM

Late last night I tried the door tim against the wall. It looks like I have a fair amout of wall cleanup to do unless I just accept that I’m adding a fat bead of caulk. I don’t like either option. I think I’ll go for the cleanup and a little resurfacing, sanding, priming etc. The caulk will be a tiny bead.

I just want to get done with this. I want it to look awesome and I want to bank on my lessons and get to the next project. It’s still a simple redo but now that I found you all, it keeps going. As log as I have this kind of awesome help my projects will look better, have a better chance of being right the first time and take LONGER. Yes longer because I have the courage to do a complete job but not enough practice to do it faster.

It’s still infinitely better to start the project with the knowledge of everything I’m going to do. For instance, replacing all the door trim. Doing demo to a room that is already mostly finished stinks. Having to fix the walls next to the door trim stinks especially when I have to scrape, mud and paint again. I also have to have a care about spills. The door trim has taken Way longer than expected with all the prepainting.

Oh well – back to it.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 07-31-2012 07:21 PM

I feel a lot better today. I had a ton of paper work facing me last night and I pushed through it.

I didn’t do much refurbing at all yesterday and I certainly didn’t do anything for the hall. I hung 2 doors with new hardware and every plinth to be painted has been built. I still have a few rosettes to build.

You don’t have to tell me you told me so – BUT – you told me so. It has taken forever and a day to build the plinths and rosettes. I was stunned by the sheer number of pieces I had to cut. I can’t look you all in the eye and say I did it the best way. You all know better than that. What I can say is you all have taught me how to do it the next time. There will be a next time because I’m putting the same style of plinth on the stained doorways.

I think the hallway will take one day to finish. I’m targetting this Thursday. With any luck I have one last day with my nose to the grindstone. In the meantime – prep prep prep.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 08-01-2012 01:14 AM

Come on….come on…....... I want to say it. Just kidding. I’ve done more things backwards, sideways, stupidways, etc. than I care to think about. It’s all part of the learning curve. In fact I rarely do things the same way twice. Always have to try something different to see if works better or faster. Sometimes it works, sometimes not (bummer).
Good luck on the homestretch.

-- The difference between a pro and an amateur, an amateur points out his mistakes

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posted 08-09-2012 02:51 AM

Yeah so – still not done. The son’s room sucked 4 days and an hour on Monday evening. I alloted 3 days. That’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it! At least I did a bit of work today. Trimed out 2 doors and a bit of shoe molding until my wife got home. She doesn’t like me to be loud in the evenings. Can’t blame her.

Unfortunately I need more material. I slipped some channel cuts on the table saw and ended up with 2 pieces of trim I can’t use. Besides I need some more for the other rooms anyway.

So so so so close and yet – far. I think there is a room in hell. I’ll tell you what it’s like. It’s as hot and muggy as Dallas and the poor resident has to rip pieces of MDF all day long.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 08-10-2012 03:22 AM

I cut up enough long pieces of door trim for my next couple of projects. It’s not fun to cut a bunch of MDF on a record breaking hot day. I suppose I’m just coasting through the completion of this project. After I cut the trim, I just putzed around and ate dinner. Since then, all I did was fix a little chip in a tile.

I feel fully recovered from the long weekend where I put in over 50 hours in 4 days on my son’s room. I just want to get ready for another surge and the fireplace looks like it will be my next target.

I have also learned something. Don’t quit. Even if you can only put in an hour a day, those hours will add up to a completed project. My philosophy, “you can travel a mile an inch at a time.”

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 08-11-2012 12:52 AM

Your philosophy is SO true. If you play golf, you’ll appreciate this one (kind of goes with your philosophy). Everyone tries to hit the 350 yd tee shot, especially on a 540 yd par 5. Problem is, most of us usually shank, hook, or slice the crap out of the ball. A friend of mine I used to play golf with had polio as a youth. He is very limited in mobility, thus his shots are always under 200 yds. But, with his 180 yd shots (all down the middle), he’s consistently on the green in 3, whereas I’m taking my second flubbed shot with another 440 yards to go.

A little bit at a time is always better then letting up completely. Not only do you lose your momentum, but desire starts to wane.

You’re doing a great job – keep it up.

-- No matter how many times I measure, I always forget the dimensions before I cut.

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posted 08-11-2012 02:16 AM

Thanks for the support Billy! Believe it or not – thanks for the inspiration!

I got home after buying a few building supplies and Went straight to my recliner and started eating. After that, I just sat like a bump and watched some tube. I said to myself, ‘Let me see what my buddies over at home refurbers have to say.’ I found your message.

I Want to start on my fireplace but dawgone it, the hall is not done. I am so tired of priming and painting stuff in oil that I felt like chucking it. ‘What’s another day?’ I was asking myself.

You know how it goes don’t you, If I don’t prime today, I’ll have 2 painting chores tomorrow and may find myself with time for only one. If I don’t paint tomorrow, I can’t install on Sunday. If I can’t install on Sunday – Is that another week?

I decided to go get a few inches done. Drive 180 yards. Whatever valuable metaphor you and I can think of to describe the fact that it’s getting done. Yes slowly but surely. (I’m out of metaphors, thought I’d use a cliche instead).

Thanks for the timely inspiration my friend. It’s time for a second coat.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 08-11-2012 04:03 AM

I’m where I “Thought” I was last week. All trim for the hall is primed.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 08-11-2012 05:15 AM

And now, I think I have enough trim oil painted. All I have left to do is install, caulk and touch up the paint. I feel good about that.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 08-11-2012 11:30 AM

Believe me, I do know how it is. When I get home from my full-time job, the last thing I want to do is work for another 5 hours. But, it will not get done if I sit down and enjoy a beer. You’re doing great – keep it up.

-- No matter how many times I measure, I always forget the dimensions before I cut.

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posted 08-11-2012 09:11 PM

Brother, I know that pain!

All trim has been installed!!!!

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 08-12-2012 02:35 AM

All caulking complete!!!!

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posted 08-12-2012 05:10 PM

The oil paint touch up is completed! 10 – 9 – 8 – 7 – 6 – 5 – 4 – 3 -

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posted 08-12-2012 07:13 PM

The latex paint has been cut in ….. Again…..

- 2

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posted 08-12-2012 07:50 PM

Cleanup done!!!!

- 1

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posted 08-12-2012 09:19 PM

Artwork hung.

——-0——-

Blastoff!!!

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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posted 01-07-2013 02:03 AM

Great job Mike for the one-man show. I’m a little surprised you didn’t get your son to lend his old man a hand. Nonetheless, superb effort and determination and all the hardwork paid off. Thanks for the fine techniques from you and all in here. I am as bad at caulking and always end up with multiple redundant extra coats to cover the earlier messed up layers. Guess the trick is for you to just be quick and very confident. I also don’t have time and patience for the taping and find it to be quite unnecessary and messy.

-- Fred Rodriguez - http://www.algrip.com

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posted 01-08-2013 11:35 PM

Hey Thanks Fred. After all that “learning” I have gone back and corrected the trim in the kitchen, breakfast area, entry and dining room. Feels good and those are jobs I can do during these cold months.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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