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Dalec

40 posts in 4316 days

04-07-2008 09:27 PM

I have been in our house two full winters now. The exterior doors are wood and have a medium color stained finish. Kind of a light orange tinted maple color. Well, it is getting to the time I need to refinish the three doors this Spring/Summer.

Does anyone have any suggestions on restoring the original color (it’s beginning to look a bit weathered and faded) and what I should use/do to protect the finish from the Pacific Northwest weather?

Dalec



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Jcees

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04-07-2008 09:58 PM

I can personally recommend Sikkens, Epifanes and Penofin finishes for outdoor work. High solids and high priced but darn well worth the extra expense. Also, I’ve had good luck with Minwax Spar Poly tinted with pigment stain and putting on at least three coats scuff sanded in between. Follow the directions. You can read up on these here…

http://www.nam.sikkens.com/product.cfm?product_id=42&product_category=exterior
http://www.epifanes.com/home.htm
http://www.penofin.com/products_rl.shtml
http://www.minwax.com/products/oil_based_clear_protective_finishes/helmsman_spar_urethane.cfm

Are your doors exposed to sunlight or are they shielded from direct rays? If they are, then you’ll definitely want to look for UV inhibitors in ANY finish you choose. Pay close attention to any end grain that might be exposed like along the bottom.

I live in Central Florida so we get a little weather now and then. Good luck.

always,
J.C.

-- "Imagination is more important than knowledge" -- Albert Einstein

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Dalec

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04-07-2008 10:30 PM

J.C.,

Thanks for the response. Our two deck doors are west facing and gets a fair amount of sun and weather exposure. The front door is on the East side and less exposure to direct sun and the weather.

About a year ago, I ran across a reference to Bristol products for exterior finishing.

http://www.bristolfinish.com/arch_use_EXT.htm

I bookmarked, but have just started looking around to see how I should go about refinishing our exterior wood doors.

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Dan Lyke

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04-08-2008 05:17 AM

After much poking around, we finally decided to go with the suggestions of a local wooden boat fanatic and use Penofin for our new mahogany front door. Everyone else said “spar varnish”, we went with Penofin because refinishing was a matter of a new coat, varnish or urethane would be a matter of sanding down to the bare wood, and we believe that we can refinish regularly (2-3 months, then 8-10 months for a few years).

Can’t speak to anything other than “that’s the decision we made”, our front door is north facing and we live in a relatively mild climate, though we’re probably going to do something similar for our rear door. On the other hand, our rear door is likely to be something of a decent fir scarfed from the local building supplies reuse place rather than something new and gorgeous mahogany.

-- Dan Lyke, Petaluma California, http://www.flutterby.net/

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normand

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04-08-2008 02:59 PM

Thanks for the list Jcees,

It is always good to have more options.

Norm

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Dalec

40 posts in 4316 days

04-08-2008 03:40 PM

Thanks again to JC for the list of finishes. Dan thanks for your thoughts on the use of one of JCs suggested finishes (penofin). How has the penofin held up so far?

Dalec

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Joey

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04-10-2008 02:08 AM

my vote was for penofin. I have used it with lot of success here in Ohio.

-- Joey ~~ Sabina, Ohio http://sleepydogwoodworking.wordpress.com/

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Dalec

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04-10-2008 06:21 AM

Thanks Joey for the recommendation on the Penofin and your experience with it.

Dalec

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Dan Lyke

331 posts in 4315 days

04-14-2008 06:08 AM

For the two weeks thus far that it’s been in our back shed it’s been fine [grin]. So, no long-term experience with it yet.

But the reason we went with Penofin is that if the wood bleached out we could always stain it, and we can always refinish over it, unlike varnish.

Further updates as events warrant.

-- Dan Lyke, Petaluma California, http://www.flutterby.net/

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Dalec

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04-14-2008 06:13 AM

Thanks Dan.

I am seriously considering the Penofin.

Appreciate any updates you may have with your application.

Dalec

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MRTRIM

743 posts in 4316 days

04-15-2008 03:01 AM

ive used sikkens they make exelent products not only for the home but for autos as well . i mostly use the helmsmen . ive never used the penofin

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Joey

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04-19-2008 04:03 PM

Helmsmen good too, but an old painter on a job turned me on to Penofin. there was seven exterior door and four of them were double mahogany in full sun so I was curious on how he was going to deal with them. he said he uses Penofin and never any problems unless his guys didn’t prep the doors right. before that I always used Helmsmen.

-- Joey ~~ Sabina, Ohio http://sleepydogwoodworking.wordpress.com/

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Dalec

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04-20-2008 01:35 AM

Thanks Joey.

Was there any pitfalls or tips to proper wood preparation to applying penofin? My application will be over another product that I do not know. So I am thinking I might sand it down. May have to stop by a seller to find the instructions.

Dalec

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Jcees

32 posts in 4315 days

04-21-2008 11:53 PM

Go here for Penofin prep info.

http://www.penofin.com/tips.shtml

always,
J.C.

-- "Imagination is more important than knowledge" -- Albert Einstein

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Dalec

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04-22-2008 01:51 AM

Thanks J.C.

Dalec

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topapilot

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04-22-2008 07:11 PM

I refinished our front door which faces south-west in southern CA. Cold and rain are not issues, but full sun for hours every day is. The door had baked in the sun so much it was warped to the point the door latch would no longer work (concave towards the sun). I used a gel to remove the remaining finish then stained with a minwax stain and finished with three coats of Helmsman spar varnish. I fixed the latch and three years later it still looks great and now I notice how bad the rest of the neaborhood doors look. It lasted better than I would have expected based on some of the reading I’ve done since.

I read: only “real” marine spar varnish will stand up to sun; Sikkins is the best; un-pigmented house pant base is the best to use. This last sounds interesting; you buy the base w/o having any color added and it’s clear with UV protection and mold/mildew protection. I’ve read that you go to Sherwin Williams and ask for number 7 base with no pigment. Less expensive than Sikkins and easy to get.
Robb

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Dalec

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04-23-2008 02:55 AM

Thanks Robb for the testamonial on Helmsman Spar Varnish. I have also seen some recommendations for Bistrol products, http://www.bristolfinish.com/

Does the Helmsman Spar Varnish come in a satin finish. I like the softer look of satin over the gloss finishes frequently associated with spar varnish?

Again, Thanks Robb.

Dalec

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Jcees

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04-23-2008 04:32 AM

Yes, they do.

http://www.minwax.com/products/oil_based_clear_protective_finishes/helmsman_spar_urethane.cfm

I used the gloss with the intent of rubbing it out to a softer sheen. HA! The finish is five years old now and needs a touch up is all and it still shines. Thing is, a boat builder taught me how to renew a spar varnished finish years ago so it’s no big mystery for me. Work clean, prep properly, lay on the finish full strength using a good brush and don’t over work it.

I wouldn’t hesitate to use it again. But then again, I wouldn’t hesitate to use ANY of the other coatings as well. Simply said, today’s finishes are amazing when used properly. They hold up to more extremes of temperature and weather than anything that could be had anywhere at any price just twenty years ago. Use what you can get and can afford, prep properly, put it down right and enjoy the results for years. Good luck.

always,
J.C.

-- "Imagination is more important than knowledge" -- Albert Einstein

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Dalec

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04-23-2008 03:32 PM

J.C.,

Again thanks for the response. I am encouraged by your first hand experience with today’s exterior finishes.

Dalec

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Dalec

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09-01-2008 11:29 PM

Can’t believe that 131 days have lapsed since the last response/comment on my question about refinishing our wood exterior doors. Due to some trepidation about starting this whole project and slipping in a trip to california for college visits for my son and helping some friends out with some home repair work, 131 days have slipped by. I finally got down to sanding what was left of the old spar varnish off one of the three entries to our house. Turns out the wood doors have a wood core with a thin fir or hemlock veneer. The glue on part of the door had failed, so I ended up sanding and using exterior glue re-glued the loose veneer. I allowed the glue to dry 24 hrs before applying penofin.

I have to admit I struggled with exactly what to refinish the door and door trim with. I wanted something that would last, but also would be easy to maintaiin. The penofin once applied, does not require resanding to apply subsequent coats. I put two coats on Friday and with the cool weather we were experiencing, it took over 36 hrs for the penofin to dry to the touch. The color is very near the color we had originally and finish sheen is shiner than satin, just about what we were looking to get.

So thanks everyone for the advice and in particular for the recommendation of penofin. Now I have two more sets of doors to do, before the Fall.

Dalec

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Bill

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09-03-2008 08:13 PM

Nice job D. Sounds like the wait was ok and the results were what you wanted. Better not wait that long for the next set of doors, or you may end up doing them in the spring.

-- Bill - Turlock, Ca. - http://www.brookswoodworks.com

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Dalec

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09-03-2008 09:43 PM

Bill,

Unfortunately, it takes a deadline to get things happening sometimes. Just sanded my second set of deck doors and trim and applies a first coat this morning. Will put a second coat on early tomorrow. Then the big challenge, the front entry door which is a craftsman wood door. Ok for the deck doors not to look perfect, but the front door will take more time. Good thing, weather forecast for this week has good weather through the weekend.

Am glad the product works as advertised. Looking at the condition of the wood, I should have done something a year ago. Wood and weather don’t get along too well. I am resigned to putting a refresh coat on once or twice a year. At least the preparation for additional coats of Penofin doesn’t require more sanding, once the wood has an initial couple coats of Penofin.

Dalec

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