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06-23-2010 09:04 PM

Our second floor includes two bedrooms and a hallway that is planked in wide plank, about 8-9” tongue and groove floor planking. It was covered by rugs for many years. We had not taken a good look at it until our kids left us with the classic empty nest.

Found the floors in bad need of refinish, as expected and some other assorted problems most of which I think I understand. However, we may have one that is more serious. In one room there is seperation between a couple of the planks that is severe. It is not even throughout the length of the planks. They start interlocked with each other at each end but in the middle of the planks there is a seperation that, in one case, is very wide. It exposes the complete tongue from the adjoining plank. I think there are at least two spots like this.

It all appears to either have been left that way at construction, doubtful, or the planks have warped seriously and pushed the adjoining planks out of line. Neither of those ideas really make sense to me. The nails I can see in the exposed tongue are still in place with a small bit of cracking around them. No evidence of heavy movement.

Would trying to force the planks back into position work? I doubt it as the amount of force needed to bend 8-9” of flooring would seem to me to be very high. Any other ideas other than ripping either the entire floor or at least the bad area to the exteriror wall?



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UnionLabel

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06-24-2010 04:08 AM

In some instances, these gaps appear due to shrinkage over the years. With gaps probably as wide as 1/2 an inch, I would think that there has been some shrinkage at the groove side of the boards. There really is no quick fix, and like you said, they don’t make a flooring jack. If the problem is too severe and it looks like you are faced with a tear out, you may want to look at a floating floor. It for sure is cheaper than a tear out and replace.
If it is just one room, then for sure I would look to a floating floor.

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tedd

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06-24-2010 12:30 PM

Thanks much.

One of my bottom line alternatives is the floating floor. I installed this before in my kitchen in family room. It’s realitively easy and quick. Full wall to wall carpeting may also be an idea. Not sure how they deal with the grooves but I guess that can still be done.

The best alternative would be a repair of the floor due to the overall construction of that second floor. I did see something on “This Old House” that was interesting but the logistics seem a bit messy. They removed the planking, cut the tongue and grooves off and surface nailed them back down with the unused side up.

Removing it all, once started should be easy. The worst part of that operation would be the cutting. I would almost need to set up a small factory to make that kind of rip cut on maybe 600+ square feet of material. I guess I could cut some of the more outrageously long pieces into smaller sections. I wouldn’t want to pay for these boards now.

Thanks again

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Todd Thomas

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06-24-2010 01:33 PM

just ran into the same type of problem, twice here in the last few months….. here is how my stories went/ended

the first floor had some spots like yours, how many boards have this wide gap? and how wide is the gap? what I ended up doing, ideas I got here from others is cutting a few, well quit a few, shims out of the same type of wood the floor was made of and glueing and brad nailing them in. my gaps ran between 1/4 to 5/8 wide. floor turned out good, client is very happy all is well….
2nd floor, my own didn’t turn out so good I had about the same size gaps in almost every board in over half the floor, 1650 sq feet. so i pulled and replaced all of the flooring in that case….....

let me
e know if you need any more help…. I need to get to a job site…..I can be reached at 865-556-9419

-- Todd- Oak Ridge, TN

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tedd

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06-24-2010 02:05 PM

Thanks much.

There are two spots that I see so far. One is a real stinker. I guess it’s sorta fish-eyed shaped. either end of the area is closed and tight against the adjoining boards. The center of the area is open enough that the tongue and groove is seperated almost to the point where you could see the sub-floor. The cut nails can be seen. The area affected is about five feet long. It is, of course, in the worst possible spot in the middle of the room.

The second area is similar about four-five feet to the left of the first. It is not as bad. The tongue is exposed but still locked into the second board.

Taking your shim idea. I wonder what would happen if I sliced an affected board a couple of inches off of the edge, force the narrow section over (carefully—very carefully) and shim. Then refinish and voila! Maybe that’s exactly what you did. I am not clear on where you shimmed.

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Todd Thomas

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06-25-2010 04:39 AM

I shimmed, or put in strips of wood in the areas that had the wide gaps, over a 16th of an inch…..in some of the smaller areas i use a wood putty called Timbermate….gets hard but stays flexible enough not to break out…..this is about the only putty I use on floors…not saying that there are not others that work this one just works the way I like it to….you can hardly tell where i put the strips in the floor, they really blend in we

-- Todd- Oak Ridge, TN

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tedd

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06-25-2010 01:05 PM

Thanks Todd

I like that plot. It sure beats pulling up the floor. :)

One other question. When the floor was installed I would have thought that the factory ends of the planks would have had T& G joints also. None of the planks in this installation does. If they were never there and should not have been I’ll forget about it. If they belonged there I am thinking I could take a router and approximate T&G on those ends. Stupid idea??

Thanks again for the help.

Ted

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Todd Thomas

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06-26-2010 12:00 PM

not sure stupid is the right word lol…...do you see any movement, warping on the ends, if not I think i would pass on that idea…......that would be allot of work that you might not need to do….if you do have some movement on the ends what I might try is setting in some finish screws to hold the ends down….

do you have any pictures you could post of the floor issues?

let us know how it goes…..

-- Todd- Oak Ridge, TN

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