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Topic by crank49 posted 06-21-2011 01:42 AM 46500 views 0 times favorited 88 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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crank49

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06-21-2011 01:42 AM

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I just installed a new faucet in my kitchen and decided to use Shark Bite fittings because its crowded under that sink with a dishwasher, disposal, 3 compartment sink and a small water heater.. This was my first time to try these fittings and Dang! they are great. Completely leak free on the first attempt. No tape. No torquing, No cranking, No leaks. I love them.

My question is: Why does the box have a label on it that says,”Not for sale in California or Vermont.”



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Grandpa

139 posts in 2974 days

06-21-2011 03:47 AM

Political lobby group got that taken care of in those states.

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dbol

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06-21-2011 02:00 PM

They would rather use copper and lead soldering. Much more environmentally safe.
bass-akwards states that is all.

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Dan Lyke

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06-21-2011 06:42 PM

Like Grandpa says: We have a really strong pipefitter’s union here in California, and they’re throwing roadblocks under all sorts of potential improvements in plumbing technology.

-- Dan Lyke, Petaluma California, http://www.flutterby.net/

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07-05-2011 04:47 PM

Nothing stands in the way of progress like human nature. Same reason we have to use gasoline that’s been diluted with Ethanol (it takes 1/5 gal of gas to make a gallon of Ethanol) that chews up fuel system components.
Lobbyists for special interest groups.

Ask your Legislator. Of course, don’t expect him to tell you the truth. After all, they know what’s REALLY best for you…...

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normanfans

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12-23-2011 05:35 AM

I have heard good reviews about the Shark Bite fittings but did not actually see anyone who enjoyed using them. Good to see that there is someone who thought it was good. This make my decision of buying them much easier.

-- Simon Sparks - http://www.alertelectrical.com

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Grandpa

139 posts in 2974 days

12-25-2011 06:52 AM

I have never used a shark Bite brand but I know people that have used them. they thought they were great. I used a similar system on Polybutlyne years ago and it never failed and installed easily.

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ashr

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01-06-2012 10:26 PM

It’s not because of a union – it’s because the fittings have too much lead to be legal in CA and VT. CA and VT limit lead to no more than %0.25, and the fittings (brass) have more than that.

The Safe Drinking Water Act allows up to %8.

I do wonder about other brass fittings sold in stores, although I haven’t seen this message on them so I hope they are below the CA/VT limit as well.

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Annoyed

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08-13-2012 11:12 AM

I’m really frustrated that it’s impossible to find fittings that are truly lead free. The problem with these so called lead free fittings is that if you have a PH issue with your water then the fittings (specifically the brass portion of the fitting) will leach lead. Why don’t they just f’ing make it out of dam copper.

This is not just an issue with sharkbite, it’s an issue with brass. Lead is used in the process of making the brass and the so called “lead free” brass still has some lead in it. If your PH is off it eats away at the brass and guess what, you get some nice lead in your water.

PLEASE PLEASE, make the dam things out of copper. I’m willing to pay more for it.

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MarkTheFiddler

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08-13-2012 09:43 PM

Well this post woke up from the deep dark past.

For convenience I used Shark Bites when I tore my bar out. They capped off the hot and cold. I tried to sweat some caps on but I had no way to release the steam from the pipe so they kept popping out. I put on the shark bites and problem solved.

Why wouldn’t a contractor or plumber choose to use a sharkbite? Sharkbites haven’t been around long enough to provide a history of failure or stability. Go with a long history of success. That’s my thought.

I might as well stick my other foot in my mouth with this uneducated speculation. Most brass fittings are in areas where the water flows freely. The shark bites are at the dead end of a pipe. Possibly the lead can accumulate in the closed off pipe and end up delivering a concentrated dose of lead to someone. Yeah right! I don’t even know if that’s possible.

I’ll go with annoyed on this one. Acting responsibly shouldn’t be that hard. Yeah Right! I don’t even know if that’s possible.

REcycle building materials and sentences. ;)

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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Dan Lyke

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08-13-2012 09:56 PM

Yeah, zombie post from the dead coming back.

One note: Shark Bites have been reformulated to be legal in California now. We used ‘em for a few connections in our recent re-plumbing, because at 4PM on a Sunday you take whatever you can get. I will note that when we re-pressurized the house, the Shark Bites were the only joints that leaked, and we had to re-seat two of them. And they’re freakin’ expensive.

-- Dan Lyke, Petaluma California, http://www.flutterby.net/

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MarkTheFiddler

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08-14-2012 03:53 AM

They are definitely expensive. Not good feedback Dan. Surely it’s what we needed to hear.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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Dan Lyke

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08-14-2012 04:07 AM

Yeah, I think they’re fine for emergency repairs, but we’re going to replace the ones in our system with some planned upgrades, and I’d definitely use a different system for any planned plumbing.

-- Dan Lyke, Petaluma California, http://www.flutterby.net/

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Annoyed

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08-15-2012 10:08 PM

OMG I actually found pure Copper push fit fittings. AT LOWES of all places. There were only like 7 or 8 boxes of the stuff. It’s labeled “ProLine Series from Mueller Industries” and it’s called PUSH FIT. This stuff is like gold if you want to avoid using Brass in your system. The serial # of the elbow is 652-003LW. I bought some for my project, hopefully they work well.

I could not find any copper valves though, but I’m going to continue hunting.

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Annoyed

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08-19-2012 12:28 PM

I finished the project, I was adding a PH neutralizer + sediment filter. I setup a bypass valve with the Copper push fittings (FYI – the ProLine Push fittings are significantly lower in price than the sharkbites or gatorbites), and it’s working great. I can easily add/remove the neutralizer and filter for any future servicing and add them back without interruption of water service to the house.

The only problem i had was with 1 push fitting and it was the gatorbite “permanent copper” tee that i gave a try because they ran out of the ProLine Series push fittings. I was able to get a replacement ProLine tee and it’s working great.

WIN WIN for me, they were copper fittings and they were cheaper. Love it.

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08-20-2012 11:26 AM

Hey annoyed,

I’m glad for you. It’s a great feeling to get past those troublesome humps.

-- Working on my home for 2 years and counting.

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